Bachelor Party Ethics: How Far is Too Far?

There’s an old saying about the distinction between art and pornography: maybe you can’t define pornography, but you’ll “know it when you see it.” True here?

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There’s an old saying about the distinction between art and pornography: maybe you can’t define pornography, but you’ll “know it when you see it.” Typically, the ethics of the bachelor party works the same way: if it feels wrong, it’s probably wrong.

Then again, it’s never really that simple, is it? To help guide your moral compass, we’ve created a continuum of bachelor wrongness, with “0” as spotless as a lamb, and “10” a cheating, lying, Joe-Francis-esque douchebag.

What’s your score?

Basic male-bonding activities

Cheating Score: 0.000

Harmless stuff like playing poker, puffing cigars, and knocking back some bottles of well-aged Scotch. If your fiancée is threatened by this activity, consider calling off the wedding. Seriously. At bare minimum, every guy deserves some quality time with his best friends.

Flirting with random girls at club

Cheating Score: 1.5

When your buddies drag you out to a bar, they’re bound to tell the waitresses and random girls that it’s your last night of freedom, your swansong, your final gasp of fresh air. To clarify: this is bullshit. Your last gasp of freedom was months or even years ago—you’re in a monogamous relationship; you’re already committed. That said, on your bachelor party, harmless flirting (so long as it’s harmless) is beyond reproach.

Going to a strip club…just to watch

Cheating Score: 3.5

Yes, theoretically, it’s possible to simply go to the strip club and just watch. This make about as much sense as going to Home Depot to stare at the pipes and lumber. Besides, it’s insulting to the girls if you refuse their goods and services. They work really hard for your benefit—only a real jerk would ignore them. You’re classier than that.

Tipping a stripper while she’s onstage

Cheating Score: 4.2

You know the move. It’s when the stripper grinds out her pole dance—in public, onstage—then you put some money in front of you, and then she’ll shower you with a little extra attention. It’s not a lapdance, per se, but it’s more personalized attention. They won’t be thrilled, but most fiancées will be okay with this.

The Lapdance

Cheating Score: 4.5 through 6.5

The great debate. Is getting a lapdance cheating? Let’s look at it from your fiancée’s perspective. A hot, skinny, naked, slutty woman is grinding her crotch against you, making you pant with lust, and rubbing her breasts all over your body. And you wonder why she’s jealous? If this was some random girl at a bar, she’d have every right to dump you right then and there. The counter-argument: this is not some random girl in a bar. It’s a controlled act in a controlled environment—and the stripper doesn’t want to screw you, she just wants to screw you out of another $100.

Two variables come into play:

  • Your fiancée’s thoughts on the matter.
  • Your intentions and attitudes toward lapdances.

Let’s say that your fiancée explicitly forbid you from getting lapdances, but your friends have no such constraints. This sucks. You may get mocked by your buddies. And frankly, you and your fiancée may need to make sure you are on the same page about a whole host of behavioral issues. All that said… the rules are the rules. At the risk of getting all cheesy, you love your fiancée more than you love a 3-minute dance that costs over 20 bucks.

The second variable: your intentions. If you view the lapdance as something fun and harmless that’s just part of bachelor party behavior—like gambling in Vegas or snorkeling in Hawaii—then she really does have nothing to worry about. If, however, you long for those non-fiancée breasts, insist on more and more lapdances, fondle her, and pay her something like $200…then yeah, your fiancée has a valid gripe.

Kissing the Stripper

Cheating Score: 7

Everyone is different, but this is where I, personally, draw the line. Call me old-fashioned, call me a prude, call me in the tank for the bride—but a kiss is a kiss. And kissing is cheating. Because the stripper was only doing it for money, however, the sin isn’t as bad as…

Kissing random girl in a bar

Cheating Score: 7.5

We’ll give it to you straight. The guy who makes out with a random girl—a month before his wedding—is the guy who will later have an affair, the guy who makes that “50%” statistic a reality. Just sayin’.

Handjob from a stripper

Cheating Score: 8.1

Dude. You got a handjob. From someone besides your future wife. “But it was at a bachelor party!!!!!” doesn’t excuse it, doesn’t condone it. You’ve cheated. Now what do you do? Click here.

Blowjob from a stripper

Cheating Score: 8.5

If a blowjob can effectively end a presidency, yes, it’s powerful enough to end your marriage.

Sex with a stripper

Cheating Score: 9.3

Congratulations. You have just bought yourself a lifetime of shame. You will bury this, regret this, and be ashamed of this for the next 70 years. Or until your divorce. Wonder which will come first? At least you didn’t have…

Sex with a random girl

Cheating score: 10.0

Why is this worse than sex with a stripper? From your fiancée’s perspective, at least a stripper is a professional, doesn’t represent a real threat, and can probably be dismissed as a one-time deal. (Note: this doesn’t mean she wouldn’t be pissed. She’d be outraged. Ballistic. And she might call off the wedding. We’re just comparing relative degrees of badness, like Charles Manson vs. Hitler.) And again, if you do hook up with Random Girl, click here.

-Jeff Wilser

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a disturbed as hell group...
Joshneedscoffee, July 28, 2009
 

Nice

Kristen. You should hang out with my fiance sometime.
AlmostThere, July 29, 2009
 
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Good article. I'm with you on this. The line is at kissing. Anything more than a lap dance from a professional is cheating. I trust my man, but I'm going to let him read this just so it's fresh in his mind as he goes to his party.
IKP, August 10, 2009
 

Nice Morals

Excellent article.... Marriage is for two people in a monogamous relationship. Period. Anything else (new age, unconventional) is not marriage. It's a friends with benefits or whatever else you wanna call it.
BigManD, August 17, 2009
 
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Yes, Big Man, They Are

As LDub points out, the only marriage you get to define is your own. As for other kinds of marriage, well, if you don't like it, you can't have any.
Time was when "marriage" was basically slavery, with the woman required to obey the man. Time was when "marriage" was only between people of the same "race" or socioeconomic standing or religion. The definition of "marriage" changes over time, bucko. If you want to define it as "lifelong monogamous one man one woman solemnized in a church," then by all means go have one like that. Just don't get all full of yourself thinking you get to define it for the rest of us.
PolyRob, September 17, 2009
 

Never been told

I wanted to ask the opinion of men and women on my situation:

After 17 years of being married, few months ago my husband told me that he had a bachelor party and "things went too far". He knew I will not accept something like this so he decided to hide because he didn't want to risk losing me!!!

Suprise #!: he has a party and was able to hide the plans and the party so well that I did not even suspect (he never even mentioned he wants to have one, or his friends are talking about it)

Suprise#2: "things went too far", he was able to keep a straight face and not look guilty or weird...that takes a lot of self control or a lot of "not caring" about your future wife!!!

When he first told me and saw my suprise and anger, he said "honey I swear, there was no intercourse"!! That told me right away that there was everything else up to that intercourse..if he is honest. Then the story started getting lighter that he only got a lapdance and touched boobies and watched the woman-on-woman show...he said the stripper didn't touched anything below the belt..

Now do you consider what my husband did "cheating"?

Is it normal for the groom to completely hide the b-party from bride? Is it ok not to even mention the subject with the bride and do it behind her back?

I feel so disrespected and angry not just because of the physical events (touching, etc.), but the fact that he didn't even care enough to tell me his friends had planned a b-party.

Also, I have lost trust and respect for him because if he can go "too far" and be able to keep a normal face, what else has he hidden from me and what kind of a person is he? Is lying so natural for him that he doesn't even blink???

We have 2 boys toghether so against all my beliefs, standards, values, etc. I have decided to stay with him with the condition that if I find out one more lie in the past or future, boys and I will be gone.. For now, I can't ruin my boys home..so I am in counseling and in a lot of hurt and pain...

He swears it was just a one time screw up and he is not the person I have come to believe he is...

what do you all think? I really like to know if anyone else has been in this situation and has any story or experience to share...Advices are very welcome too!!
extra90, September 18, 2009
 

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It makes me sad to think that we have been so brainwashed and desensitized in our porn-saturated culture that it is not only socially acceptable, but expected for a man to see other naked women while committed?

Does anyone here realize what commitment is? If you want to engage in thoughtless perversions like a caveman, you shouldn't be marrying anybody...you should be single and playing the lonely field full of attention-seeking little girls with daddy issues.

Anyone who is lucky enough to have found someone that they genuinely love enough to marry probably doesn't even desire to see "non-fiancée breasts"...ugh. Ladies, don't think that there aren't men out there who are better than this! What a joke.
EvolvedWoman, September 18, 2009
 

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I'm just glad my guy doesn't care for strippers or that other "guy" stuff. Not saying he's a prude (we're totally into rough choking and role playing), but he's a one woman kind of man and I consider myself incredibly lucky. I would not be cool with watching another girl having sex with him let alone dance on him and besides, if your man loves you then he's not going to want that anyway, and if you're satisfying each other in bed FULLY (like you should be) there really leaves nothing to be desired from other people. I've been with my fair share of men and I've been with my man for 4 years, none of the other guys can compare and I know none ever will. I honestly feel sorry for the ladies that have to put up with worrying about their guys bachelor party. Good luck to you all.
CollegeGirl, September 19, 2009
 
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I have to agree with Evolved Women. If you "truly" love someone, I wouldn't think you would have any desire to see another woman's chest or anything on her for that matter. My fiance a couple years ago went to a bachelor party and actually paid a stripper to stay away from him. He doesn't think it's classy, and he doesn't like it.
And another thing - If he says I'm not allowed to do it, then well in my book he shouldn't be able to either. I don't think a man would like the idea of his fiance going to a bachelorette party with male strippers and them rubbing up on her, and I have a feeling that men get a lot more jealous, than women do.
LVC, September 22, 2009
 
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To Non-Conrolling Fiancee,

I am fine when the partners are open about their b-party and honest about what happened. I have had friend (men and women) that had their party and came home and reacted for their partner. That is open/honest relationship. My problem with my husband is that he had the party behind my back...went too far (according to him) and was able to cover it up and not even blink the next day when he saw me or made love to me...that is the part I can't get over and that is why I consider it cheating...If he didn't say a word before the party, felt guilty after the party, he thought he had to hide it from me because I would get upset, then I say he had every intention of going too far and lie about it. Also, I consider it disrespect for me...If he had discussed it with me and did it knowing that I wouldn't like it, then it would be inconsiderate and deserve a good long "talk" with him...if he doesn't even mention it before or after, that show that I didn't even exists in his world, and therefore no need to discuss.. That is what my problem is with the hiding. The physical part I can live with...I brought a belly dancer for him at our wedding. I also a while back talking to one of my guy friends to take my husband with them next time they go to strip club. I think I am pretty open minded about these things...but when it comes to honesty and trust, I say I am very black and white...
extra90, September 25, 2009
 

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The bride MIGHT call off the wedding if a guy has sex with a random girl? Whoever wrote this article is an idiot, or just has a really twisted outlook on what marriage is. Who, in their right mind, would EVER marry a guy that had sex with someone else before the wedding. This article is absurd.
SSSSSSSSSSSS, October 02, 2009
 

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Yes the line is at kissing. And for the record, sex is sex no matter if it's with a stripper or a random girl. You still had sex with someone else! I'm not a prude...I know my fiance will get a lapdance because his buddies will insist on it. When I told him I was going to a male strip club for my bachlorette(If he can, so can I) I will get a dance with the male stripper too. I just told him, think about what I could be doing with that male stripper and see how you like it. That will keep his mind on you, wondering what all your getting. LOL! Bottom line, I'm woman enough to trust my man for a lap dance, but anything other then that?...no way!!
Summer, October 07, 2009
 

Good Advice Given to Me - Might Help You

I believe that marriage is as individual as the people who are in it, so I respect that what is defined as crossing the line for one couple may be no big deal to another. The bigger point is that the couple needs to agree together on where that line is.

Here's some advice that was given to me and maybe it will help others: if you wouldn't do it (whatever "it" is) in front of your fiancee/fiance, then you probably shouldn't be doing it.

Have an open discussion about this with your fiance/fiancee and also with the people who are planning your big night out. And don't beat the topic to death - once you've reached an understanding, let the subject go and get back to enjoying each other and your engagement.

I hope this helps!
Mel, October 15, 2009
 

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Strippers are not professionals. They're stippers: people who take their clothes off for money, rather than going to school, and actually becoming a professional (with the exception of the ones who are currently in college, who strip by choice because they enjoy dishonoring themselves intellectually). In my eyes, if my man has a naked women on his lap, it doesn't matter if he's at a strip club, hotel room, or in our own house - he has a naked woman on his lap, and its not me. Some people are okay with that. I am not. To me, its 100% infidelity.
K, October 17, 2009
 

really?

So after reading this article and the responses a few things came to my mind.
1- I totally trust the man I'm marrying and don't care what he does at his bachelor party. Both of us are from Las Vegas so the whole strip club thing is not a new idea, concept, or event it really is not a big deal (honestly). My man has been to strip club and refused lap dances (why?? I have no clue, honestly I don't) for his 21st birthday I gave his friend a bunch of 1s (for tip money that I had saved so he could tip the stripper and have a great time) which they used to buy shots instead. The stripper is not trying to steal your husband or future husband whatever, she wants money. Your husband in turn is not trying to cheat on you or disrepect you either, he is trying to have a fun time with his friends. I understand that cheating is different for everyone, and the line at which that occurs is as individual as your relationship.
A couple of questions then
why can't he have fun some other way like poker or drinks or something where there isn't naked women fondling themselves?
As I'm sure this is the case with most men, they have seen other women besides you naked, perhaps even have pictures of them in porno stash, are they sleeping with them? no. Ok well then why would they sleep with the stripper? They wouldn't. It is honestly something to do, and is more about the other non-married single men who want to go out and look (this is what my boyfriend said to me).

If you are questioning what your man is going to do at his bachelor party perhaps you should reevaluate the trust issue in your relationship. You clearly don't trust him enough to determine what is the line and what isn't. Guys contrary to popular belief are smart they know what is ok and what is not. If your guy doesn't want to cheat on you he won't. Is there a grey area you might want to discuss a little before they go out? maybe. You might want to clarify what is cheating to you and what isn't. But don't in any way try to control where they go on their bachelor night (let them have this one, let them be manly men and blow a few hundred bucks and have an awesome time, let them realize that the reason that they want to marry you is because your not a control psycho, but the fun beautiful, smart, wonderful woman, who trust them.) Think of it this way you just made them spend the last however long your engagement was doing wedding stuff (which would be like several hours of shoveling horse manure for you after which you deserve the spa treatment great glass of wine and to have the best dinner on the planet which to a guy = lots of drinking, smoking, gambling, and perhaps some fake boobies (and almost all strippers boobs are fake which according to a guy friend of mine fun to look at but not fun to play with.)

j, November 12, 2009
 

to extra90

To extra90
honestly I don't think your guy tried to hide anything from you or be disrespectful, judging by how upset you were about just hearing about the party is probably why he didn't tell you in the first place. He married you, he loves you, he had children with you. Is the man that he has been the last 17 years the man you love and care about? I bet you he doesn't even remember the strippers name or what she looked like. He probably didn't tell you because you would get so mad about it and to him it wasn't a big deal. Think about it if he had told you he was going to a strip club would you let him? And don't pretend like yea I would be fine with it, thinking about who you were at that time, and be honest about it. I think honestly he said it with a straight face because he honestly didn't do anything, you know when he's lying. He doesn't want to lose you and he knows that going to the strip club and getting a lap dance would have made you freak out (its ok to freak out about it, but also think about how much you trust him and love him, in the grand scheme of things that he could have done, sleeping with her, losing your entire life savings, losing his job and not telling you, buying a sports car that you can't afford when you really need a mini-van, think of all the years that you have been together and all the times that he has been there for you, supported you, desired you, cherished you, loved you.) So he messed up (and probably not as bad as you think he did, and then he told you, if he really didn't care about you he would have just never told you granted it took forever for him to do probably because he has been feeling so guilty about it and trying to prove to you that he is the wonderful person you wanted to married and he might have been scared that he didn't have enough proof of that, I have a guy friend that has cheated numerous times on his wife he doesn't care enough to tell her, because he doesn't love her, but he doesn't support her or cherish her either, and doesn't want to have kids with her.) Now obviously I don't know your relationship, and I don't know anything about you or your husband other than the fact that 17 years ago he did something stupid, and hide it from you which was another stupid thing. But in the relationships I've seen and the successful ones that I've had the pleasure to witness forgiveness, true forgiveness is one of loves best characteristics, has he proven to be the great man that you wanted to marry 17 years ago? if the answer is yes, then tell him he was a moron and that what he did was stupid and inconsiderate, and to be forthcoming about the stupid stuff he does. And even be a little thankful for as much pain as this has caused you (which is by no means small), if you had known then and decided not to marry him, all the wonderful times you would have missed, and the wonderful children you were able to have, and the nice home, and good lifestyle, you were able to enjoy these past 17 years.


j, November 12, 2009
 
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The Stripper's Perspective

As a married stripper...I've given plenty of lapdances and don't consider it cheating in my relationship.
StripandGrowRich, January 08, 2010
 

One time Marriage

I am truly in love with my girlfriend and for the first time felt that I have found someone that really understands love and honesty. We talk about everything even when we are upset at each other about some differences and views. I am not worried at all about a bachelor party because I really don't care for strippers at all. I feel, why put yourself in the situation for questioning. My girlfriend on the other hand has no problem if I go to a strip club and once during late hours, we went on Bourbon Street and went in a strip club for about 10 minutes to use the bathroom. She likes to talk alot when she is drinking and I see some guys take that as flirting but she is just talkative. I really don't know that side of her if there is a freak side. I know that if you are really serious about marriage then neither would want those type of situations whether one felt it was ok or not. I don't need to go crazy on my bachelor night just because I am getting married... had all the time before if I wanted to chance ruining it all in one night.
New Proposal, January 21, 2010
 

What have we here?

So I'm reading the comments to see what other guys have to say about this article, and I'm not surprised that most of the comments are from...women. Looking at the comment ratings, I'd also say that this "Groom's site" is probably mostly read by women. My two cents...talk it over with your Fiancée and come to an understanding. That doesn't mean just do what she says...you'll have the rest of your life for that ;)

To "Evolved Women" et al. Ask yourselves this: do you get all pissy that there's a Spike TV channel, magazines like Maxim and Stuff, and god forbid ESPN? Then you don't love men. Look, I read GQ, Esquire, and the Economist; I'll go to the symphony, the ballet and the museum... and I'll watch just about anything my future wife wants to on television (except Lifetime Network, that stuff is crap). I love her dearly and can't wait to spend the rest of my life with her. Occasionally though, I like to drink beer instead of scotch, see lots of things exploding on my television and yes, fake boobies; It doesn't make us neanderthals and it doesn't mean we don't love you. Get over it.

To "extra90": I'm very sorry you're in that situation and I hope you come to the resolution that is right for you and find happiness again.
To "j" : You rock sister. All women should read your posts and let it sink in. You've totally got it figured out.
To each his own., January 28, 2010
 

my thoguht

Hi im a 19 yr old student and even though im getting engaged soon, my bf and i strongly believe on honoring each other. we believe u shouldnt cheat on each other, i mean lets face it if your going to spend the rest of your life with your "soul mate" why do you need to go to a strip club, or have a party?? your not doing anything but putting yourself in a situation, that may lead to not even getting married. idk about yall but even though my bf is only 16, we plan on sharing our lives together, and getting married possibly when im 21. but my point is, if u truely LOVE yr partner, dont cheat!!
girl19, April 12, 2010
 
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this is bullshit, have you seen what goes on at a bachelorette party? they have sex with the strippers, while the party eggs them. are you telling me thats not cheating?
dude, May 26, 2010
 
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OMG

Ok so first off I am laughing at most of the comments and so would my wife of 7 years lol. second, the only reason my wife would be mad at me for going to a strip club is if I went without her and didn't tell her, cause she wants to go as bad as I do haha. when I see a hot woman I point her out and my wife rates her with me. Would I have sex with a stripper or anyone else at a bachelorette party ? NO! my sexual talents are for my wife only (Tho she often says I should take my show on the road lol). I know my wife would have an issue with me enjoying myself at the party tho.

one last thing and hear me out here. ALL GUYS look at other girls, its in our most basic of animal instincts to see attractive members of the opposite sex and like it. its doesn't make us love our wife's or future wife's any less. any man who has to hide this from his wife for the rest of their marriage is gonna be unhappy even if he doesn't show it. 50+ years ago (Feel free to look this up) woman had to have sugery to stop them from haveing orgasms cause it was deemed wrong and imoral lol that stupid and we all know it, so what will people think of us and our sex lives 50 years from now or 100 ? are we revolutionary and free ? or are we backwards and untrusting lol you think about.
Spokanecouple, May 31, 2010
 

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Lame. I've been to several bachelorette parties and nothing that over-the-top has happened. All the brides were well behaved (drunk as hell, though, :oP). Obviously it probably does happen, just like grooms having sex with strippers I'm sure does happen, but it's certainly not the norm and would be completely inexcusable. I'd slap the bride if she even thought about doing something like that.

As for the other comments about lap dances and such, I think it's funny when guys/girls trash girls who get jealous when their guys get lap dances. I think it shows a real lack of maturity, to be honest. Every couples' boundaries are there own, and no person should feel obligated to just "suck it up" so their SO can get a lap dance. I know plenty of great wives who are 100% against strip clubs and I know even more who are fine with their guys going just to look, but no lap dances (I'm the "look but don't touch" type...guess that makes me a jealous, untrusting girlfriend, lol). And then I have a couple friends who are fine with their guys even getting lap dances, and that's totally fine. Like I said, every couples' boundaries are their own, and if something would REALLY hurt your SO's feelings, then think about why you're with that person to begin with, and is hurting them really worth the "right" to a lap dance, or whatever? Having a naked stripper rubbing his man parts all over me would bother my guy, so I won't, because he means more to me that having some dude rub up on me for 20 seconds. Ultimately, it's NOT that big a sacrifice.
K, June 05, 2010
 
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Moral crusader, September 08, 2010
 

confused

I was under the impression that the bachelor/bachelorette parties are designed as free time for a "guys night" and a "girls night" - not a night to go crazy! If the guy likes to go to strip clubs with his friends normally, it makes sense for this to be included in his bachelor party. But if he is more of a beer-at-the-bar and a few games of pool kinda guy, the strip-club-lapdance scene seems a little unnecessary. Same for the girl - if she is into strippers or whatever, that's cool. But if she is more of a dance club kinda girl, what's wrong with that? It's all about having fun and hanging out with your friends before the big day. :)
FutureWifey, September 10, 2010
 
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Ignorant morons

All these guys/girls saying the woman should just suck it up and accept that "all" men need/have to go to strip clubs need to gtfo themselves. Let me put it in terms that even the most clueless man can understand:
For my part, I am 100% against strip clubs. Why? Because I want to be the only thing that gets my guy going and I think I should be all he needs. This was a boundary set from the get go. Strip clubs/porn, etc is cheating in my book because you're looking to another woman to get your rocks off. I will ask a guy how he feels about these places and if they are places he wants to go to, fine. I just won't be dating him. I've been in a relationship for over 7 years and my guy doesn't like or care for this stuff, so we work out just right. If for some reason, he just absolutely HAD to get a lap dance from a sl*t, then FINE. He knows where the door is; I hope it doesn't hit him on the way out.

Now comes the understanding. How would you gentlemen feel if, instead of your lady going to see a male stripper for her bachelorette, she would instead like to be the girl who gets on stage, takes it all off and even GIVES a lap dance to a drooling guy? Guys like to look at women, and conversely, women like to be admired by men. What if you were told over and over "dude, get over it, this is her last time to shake her sh*t in front of strange guys to know just how sexy she really is!" And if you disagreed with this, you would just be told that you a prude and should see if the local convent has room for another monk? If you are a guy who thinks it is your divine right to have a lap dance, then ask yourself how you would feel if your gf felt she had an absolute right to take off her clothes and grind against a strange guy (at least she would be earning $$$ instead of blowing it!). If you have a problem with it, then you're a hypocrite.

It's all about respect and boundaries. If you respect your woman and you KNOW she has a problem with this stuff, then DON'T DO IT. It really is that simple. If she's cool with it and you want to do it, FINE. It's up to each couple to decide what's right for themselves. Anyone who needs to disrespect their partner's wishes just so their guy friends can see how manyly they are by having a strange woman's cooter in his face is an absolute idiot and doesn't deserve to get married.
Ladies/Guys who have problems with this type of stuff are not abnormal or prude. They absolutely have the right to feel the way they do and just because *you* might not agree; it doesn't make their relationship or their boundaries any less valid.
Rachell, October 04, 2010
 

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but if the guy really loves you he would respect you enough not to be around strippers seriously. if he cant respect how you feel then you shouldnt be with him.
reneef, November 13, 2010
 

Lack of self-confidence

I love it how all men accuse women who don't put up with their cheating to lack self-confidence. Are you kidding me? The only people who lack self-confidence here are pathetic men who go to stripclubs where smiling strippers pretend they like the visitors although they know they are the douchebags. Any man who has any masculinity, dignity or self-confidence in him will not go to a herper-laden stripclub.
Jameson, November 18, 2010
 

A little biased don't you think?

Again another post from a female perspective..
Can you please tell me why it is at 99% of male strip joints there are HUGE security guards stopping you going anywhere near the strippers... yes there are "extras" payable for lapdancers etc but when they are sans clothes you don't get anywhere near.

From what I have heard about women going to strip bars... from female colleagues at work.. there is touching, oral sex, penetration... and the all time favourite.. squirting cream on their penis so the women can lick it off (either on full show or behind a towel if they are more modest)...

Men go to see strippers and they are perverts in the eyes of women.

Women go to see strippers and they are just having a laugh..

Nice equality there eh...
enigma, November 26, 2010
 

Just a guy

sounds like this was all written by a female.
JAG, January 04, 2011
 

...

It's all about trust, communication, and honesty. If my fiancee gets a naked lap dance from a random girl, I get to give a naked lap dance to a random guy. I wouldn't be mad, but if he gets to enjoy himself, why can't I? In my experience, men have always been the more jealous type. It's not fair that many men think that it is OK to grope and ogle other women, but when their women want to get the same kicks, they freak out. Not all men behave this way, course. Both men and women are sexual creatures, some moreso than others. As long as there's no double standard or lying and your partner is ok with it, there's no problem. Don't pay attention to the judgmental people, whether they be men or women.
Marina, January 08, 2011
 

Ladies, you are delirious

Anyone who thinks that "true love" is antithetical to a desire for "non-fiance breasts" cannot go seek out movies with Johnny Depp anymore. Every healthy, post-pubescent human is attracted to the people they're attracted to, and no matter how much you love someone, THAT DOESN'T CHANGE.

Honestly, if my fiance weren't CAPABLE of being attracted to other women, I'd be very worried. That said, the thought of another women (stripper or random bar girl, it makes little difference, sorry) rubbing their breasts against him makes me nearly physically ill.

It's ridiculous to think that people (men AND women) should only be attracted to one person, we're just monogamous because we care about one another and the desire to not hurt your partner (fiance, wife, husband) trumps the desire for other people (usually by a nice wide margin).

The myth that monogamy is effortless is probably more harmful to relationships than cheating.
Cassie, January 17, 2011
 

invent your own traditions

look... if a person is viewing marriage as some kind of restrictive commitment... a monastic existence, if you will, devoid of any pleasure or growth.... then he or she should not get married. Personally, I am only getting married as a symbol to the love of my life; He is adamant about it and very much wants to tie me down (literally and figuratively! hehehehe) But alas, I digress....

Bachelor parties and Bachelorette parties are retarded and inflammatory. In fact, sometimes, I think that they get so much attention because they push female buttons (and men love to press women's buttons, as it gives them a sense of importance and big boy capability.) I don't like the whole bachelorette/ bachelor parties because they propagate the idea that marriage is some sort of slavery or life-long prison sentence ( and to be honest, for many of you it kind of sounds like it is or like you will make it that way.)

If that is how you feel about your "plunge", marriage, ball and chain, etc... then here is a word of advice: DON"T GET MARRIED!!!!!!!! You are not ready.

My fiance and I are pretty open about sex. We are both very sexually active people and share in fantasies and various perversions....many of which I would be cool with doing in real life. Our sex life is an integral part of the glue in our relationship....blah, blah blah.

That said... I think that going to strip clubs without me, is cheesy, cheap and I'm not into it, especially as they turn me on too. The idea of circle jerking with a bunch of men or women just seems a little teenage. I would hope that your fiance(e)s have had active, varied, interesting, wild sex lives before meeting you and that you can openly and honestly exchange notes and grow together sexually speaking, in fantasy fun and all the glorious filth that comes with it!

My fiance and I are a good looking couple and we enjoy admiring and being admired...it's only natural.. BUT If my fiance felt that he needed to have Trixie the naked contortionist, bounce on his balls, and playing tittie tennis with his head, so be it... it's stupid, but hey, at least he would probably let me watch, get turned on and then drag me home so, charged up from the erotic experience, we could bang like rabbits...

Talk to you men and men, talk to your ladies...It's all about communication and both of you have the right to be comfortable...Asking one person to suck it up is not fair, but looking at your own feelings, motivations and fears (men and women!) is a valuable practice that can ultimately set you free.

Good luck!
Lena, January 17, 2011
 

...

Nobody belongs to anyone until marriage. If u guys are so upset about things your husband or wife did before marriage then why are u getting married. Why do u need to take vows? U take vows because u are ready to be committed. Only when u are married u can truly say that person is yours, or say my husband or my wife. Cause before marriage u are not committed, if u were, u would not need to take vows. And the vows say "from this day forward, do u promise.........." . And your so call fiance can easily just break it off at any point, and u cant claim him or her cause u guys were not legally together. So stop being emotional over bs. And for that lady whose husband confessed to u about the stripper after 17 years, think about it, he did not have to tell u if he did not want to, and it obviously shows he cares.
keeping it, February 02, 2011
 

Ladies, seriously calm down

Ladies,

Some basic info for you. If you try to put all these rules on your man as to what he can/cant do at a bachelor party, then you are going to make him want to do it even more. You do not own him. You should trust he is not going to do anything stupid. That being said, if he DOES something stupid, aren't you glad you found out the kind of person he is before the wedding? Or did you want to run around trying to control his every move and action for the rest of your life? Do you like feeling like a psycho who has to control him? Didn't think so. Let him go to the bachelor party. And don't act insecure about yourself by saying "you CANNOT go to a strip club". Ummm yes he can, you are not with him 24/7 and strip clubs are everywhere. Just say "have fun, just know the thought of another girl dancing on you wierds me out", and leave it at that. Besides, if your man loves you, he wont do anything to ruin the relationship anyway. Cheers!
B, February 16, 2011
 

Marie Claire

Hello—I'm writing a feature for Marie Claire magazine about what really goes on at bachelor parties. I'm looking to interview men who've gotten lap dances, kissed, or cheated in some manner on their wives at their own or another man's bachelor party. If you fit the bill, I'd love to hear from you. Anonymity guaranteed, and details can be changed to protect the man's identity.

Here are some specific questions: What's that tipping point that convinced you to cheat or do something your wife wouldn’t like? What ran through your mind while you were doing it—i.e., “this is my last chance before I settle down and it doesn’t mean anything anyway because it’s with a stripper,” etc.? How exactly did this hookup play out? How did you feel afterward? Did you consider coming clean with your wife? Is there any premeditation in terms of orchestrating how the wives won’t find out? And did many/every guy at the party cheat or just the groom? Again, anonymity guaranteed, and details can be changed to protect your identity. Email me at judydutton@nyc.rr.com. Thanks so much!
Judy Dutton, March 30, 2011
 

Silliness.

It's not about trust. It's about the primacy and privacy of one's relationship. Those who think that romantic jealousy is a control, or self-esteem issue would do well to read this article.

I can say, my fiance knows what he should not be doing, because if he does it, I am not the type to lightly treat any sign that the primacy or privacy of my relationship with him is threatened. He knows that I will rain unholy hell on him. And no, I'm not a bridezilla. I would expect him to react similarly if I were to go and feel up, or kiss, another man.

As for any potential bachelorette party I have, it will probably not be at a club, and most certainly wouldn't involved half- or fully-naked men. Not interested, thanks. The only body I'm interested in feeling up is my future husband's. Drinking while playing games, and maybe watching movies. Personally, I'm not all that interested in having a bachelorette party, because I don't really view that as any type of "last big hurrah" or "final night of freedom." Both terms I find extremely offensive. I cannot wait until I'm married, until I can share my man's name, along with my life. Marriage isn't a prison sentence, and I will be no less free than I was before. I will be with the man I love and honor, the last man I intend to ever want.
Kitty, April 14, 2011
 

*facepalm*

QFT...while I understand that some people partake in "open" relationships and are swingers...but that life just doesn't attract me...nor does the bachelor party. If not for tradition of not seeing the bride the night before the wedding my "party" would be spent with my kitty. As it stands though I'd go to a bar with a few friends...take some shots for "my last night as an unmarried man" and toast to what I anticipate as being a long and extremely happy marriage where both her and I will argue and fight every day on weather or not the pyramids are magnificent or majestic...or some other completely pointless topic in the grand scheme of things. (We'll no doubt argue over important things like what dishwasher detergent we use to.) The point is, is that I'll wake up with a smile on my face and never quite be content with my wife...because I'll always want more of her and only her. On that note >.>...she might rain unholy hell on me for kissing or rubbing or w/e on another women...I'd rend the universe if she rubbed up on some guy. Does that make me controlling or indicate that I don't trust her? or that she doesn't trust me? No...it means I don't trust life and I'm not willing to lose her and I am unafraid of letting her know exactly how much I want and love her at any given minute of any given hour on any given day.
Kitty's hubby, April 15, 2011
 

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ahkx, July 29, 2011
 

old fashion young couple

I know everyone has a different view on these things but I guess my husband and I must be reaalllyy old fashioned. I wouldn't be happy if he even went to a strip club. He doesn't go cause he wouldn't like it if I went to a club without him with just the girls. We ended up having a court marraige and skipped the bachelor/ bachelorette parties and instead of going out to a club drinking with just our friends we always go together. to me getting a lapdance from another girl is cheating cause weather its "fun at a bachelors party" or not your still enjoying and taking pleasure from another girl. But also if a wife is so worried about something like that, it's up to her to stay in shape and make things intresting for him. you can alway purchase your own home pole and he'll always have his own personal stripper to come home too. lol
bonitagirl, October 22, 2011
 

Double Standards

I recently got an email from a good friend with a link to a website where another friend found his wife at a bachorlette party. I was blown away at what I saw! Yes I've heard stories on both genders getting out of control at these events. Alcohol, excitement from friends, inhibitions being lowered under the circumstances have led many to do things they might not normally do. But I will say this I have been to several strip clubs and bachelor parties where strippers are present and in actuallity male events are quite tame and very observant. On the other hand seeing what I have after going on these websites where women go to see male strippers I am appalled by what goes on. If you don't believe me- google it it's astonishing. And these are all types , ages, ect. So when we lay down rules here on what's too far let's remember the reality of what goes on. I feel like men have for the most part been given the bad rap when it comes to cheating but look at the statistics. If we want to lay down rules, direct judgement and so on then let's all be aware that it's a double standard. I think Cassie said it best! My wife and I chose to do a dual bachelor/bachorlette party with friends and do something actually fun. I still don't get the idea of the "last hurrah"!
Revival, November 03, 2011
 

Anti-strip club....unless you're single

Rachell....Oct.4/10.....I LOVE YOU!!! You could not have said it better. My thoughts exactly. Happy Im not alone :-)
T., November 05, 2011
 

Help

My question is one of your best mates is getting married and he invites you to his bucks night? Ny gf started saying how she wants me to go but quick started changing her tune. So if I go she is pissed off that I didn't go? If I go and my mates decides to go to the strippers I basically have to go in cause what friend would leave their friend out side and then I will ruin his night. Either way I am fucked did I miss any angles Plz help. Having a fight with my gf about it. Wat to do?
Df, November 06, 2011
 

Big

Marriage is blissful. Every time I relive our wedding night, I blush at the thought of the extasy that we have together. Once.... a long time ago, I met women for just one thing to talk hour upon hour about feelings and to discuss religion and morals and everything related or similar. However, once I found and wed my perfect partner I have not been able to even look at another.

She is my sollmate. We live eby surprise. I never know when she will be bringing home more fun. We get home, then begin to salivate over each other. She always is so rough with me. I am very slow to react.

I love it when she places her needs before mine.

I used to be so selfish. Now I can't wait to controlled and disipioned from the few areas that truely inflame and stiffen my resolve.

Any boy is she good at achieving the ultimate cosmic, intelectuall sides of me. She carries on 2 hour game of drain it fast.

Well, I am sure glad that I don't have to waste all of that money chasing around this one or that one. I just have to come home in time for a


any ways. I must go so that she can cum,
Jonny, November 11, 2011
 

...

No blowjob ever "brought down a presidency." It may have been a smudge on Clinton's image for about a month, but only one presidency was ever brought down in flames (see: Nixon), and it had nothing to do with a blowjob.

Oh, and you're a prude. All humans are sluts; women just pretend they are pure. Ha.
Andrew D., November 19, 2011
 

Wow

I can't believe you wrote blowjob/handjob/sex with a stripper! I'm a stripper I take my clothes of for money! I don't want to look at, touch, suck or fuck your dick! Why don't you change that to hookers! Strippers are not hookers! Some are but a lot of us aren't! Please correct this.
Cara Cummings, November 21, 2011
 

Engaged

I'm also a stripper who's engaged to be married and I go to strip clubs with him! All over Canada and the States! Strippers are not Hookers!
Cara Cummings, November 21, 2011
 

All women

are all the people reading this women
happydog, November 26, 2011
 

All women

are all the people reading this women
happydog, November 26, 2011
 

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Women are fucking ugly. What is wrong with you people?
goddamn, December 01, 2011
 

LoL

LMAO at this bull. Men watch girls take off their clothes. Women rub and touch and suck the male strippers dicks until they pump sperm everywhere! Ladies are far FAR worse and they know it. They are only remorseful when they get caught. Not all women are like this, but if your gf/wife had a bachelorette party chances are she sucked off a stripper that night. At least one. Right along with the rest of her friends.
Jules B., December 10, 2011
 

YOU ARE ALREADY TAKEN

As soon as you are with one person for longer than several months and you plan on making that permanent till death do you part - YOU ARE ALREADY TAKEN. The bucks night is not the last night as a freeman, but cheat on her now and the marriage is not real, you loved her when you asked her to marry you, suddenly you don't love her and you think you can get on with anyone (that you have to PAY for), then it is not love, and you will continue CHEATING, which is all it is - MANS PERMISSION TO CHEAT.
MANS PERMISSION TO CHEAT, December 11, 2011
 

...

A blowjob did not effectively end a presidency.
Purjory ALMOST ended a presidency, but
Clinton won the impeachment, buddy.
Philip84, January 07, 2012
 

My Thoughts

My relationship is based on trust, I am married we did not have a bachelor/bachelorette party because we went to the court house to get married. We do plan on having a ceremony/reception later down the road, prior to that we are going to have a bachelor/bachelorette party. With that being said, I honestly dont care if my husband gets a lapdance by a stripper or by a random girl in a bar, its all for fun and I know that no matter what he will be honest and will always come home to me, he wont cheat either. My husband is always telling me that he cant find someone like me because I take really good care of him(yes this is a shame but the first year we were together he gained 40lbs from me "taking care of him"). Every realtionship is different, so men and women need to set rules according to their own problems and beliefs.
msylnk87, January 17, 2012
 

wow!

I don't know, I get and agree with everything except for a few points. I'm actually a stripper myself and do have plans on getting married one day but ummm i consider a lap dance 10.0 for the simple fact i tease men with the image of myself and I don't know if I can handle knowing my future lifemate is wanting some other girl's other than mine especially that early in our days, I mean we're not in out rocking chairs on the porch yet ha. But the part where you add "A hot, skinny, naked, SLUTTY woman" really pisses me off. Yes there are those women who give you steriotypical people a reason to keep throwing negative comments about strippers, will ALWAYS be there unfortunatly, but know there are still women that don't take it that far which is where you just took it. Why use that adjetive?
MorganBright, January 18, 2012
 

Thank You significant few!

I just read some of the comments and i feel completely relieved and thank you ladies for correcting the writer some people will remain ignorant and it just really gets to me but yes MAKE THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HOOKERS AND STRIPPERS! UGH! I do not and i repeat do not perform sexual favors for money! Besides you can't put a price tag on my sweet ass! ;)
MorganBright, January 18, 2012
 

And that's why I don't want to get married...

Tipping a stripper is worse than flirting? And someone is thinking about ending a marriage over something that happened 15 years ago? All of you are batsh*t insane. The bachelor party is for him, so back off and loosen up. If you're going to be a stuck up tw*t, no man will ever love you. And if your man cheats, just go out and get even and get back to normal. Not that hard. Quit your crying and ditch the incredibly naive idea that cheating could never happen to you. We're men. We're hardwired to procreate with as many women as possible.

And to the strippers. You're awesome, but you'd really be upset if your man got a lapdance? You do them yourself, so you must know how completely one sided the interest is. Grow up. And if you get upset over people accusing you of hooking, pick a new career. Half your coworkers hook on the side.
Jim Nightly, January 21, 2012
 
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